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Yo, so, I’ve noticed some strictly SFW blogs I follow have ended up with very detailed porn posts and I am 100% sure that it is not their doing.
If you see any porn pop up on my dash AT ALL LET ME KNOW RIGHT AWAY.
Seriously this isn’t funny if somehow Tumblr is letting this happen.
Just send me a message with “hey there’s this post you made with pornography in it did you post that??” and the answer will be a firm NO. followed by me trying to find out what the fuck happened and where it came from.
So, again: LET ME KNOW IF YOU SEE ANY PORN POP UP ON MY DASH. I DID NOT POST IT. I DO NOT KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM. IT IS NOT ALLOWED ON MY BLOG AT ALL.
I’m reblogging this from my main blog. I’m getting very weirded out and now I’m paranoid this has happened on my blogs somewhere down the line.
I do not post nsfw. I might tag something as nsfw if I think it crosses the boundary even a little (like that picture I did of Sebastian), but hardcore porn? Hell fucking no. Not on this blog OR my main. This blog is SFW on all fronts (and again, I only tag stuff as nsfw if I think it crosses the line even by a smidgen).
So, please, let me know if this happens.
LITERALLY ALL OF THE ABOVE!!! If this happens with me, PLEASE LET ME KNOW!!!!!!!
I’m not strictly SFW but for real if there’s any just straight up not-under-the-cut real-people stuff; please let me know. That shouldn’t be on here.
SAME! It happened to a book blog I was following, scarred me for life I think. I’m strictly SFW stuff, so if you see me post something porn-like please please please tell me.
I’m a SFW blog (I reblog pixel dragons, for gods sake), so any porn posts definitely don’t belong here! If you see one lemme know and I’ll take the stupid thing down asap
Same here, if this happens please let me know!!!!
Considering nudity and general NSFW is a trigger… I don’t post that shit. PLEASE tell me if something like that appears on my blog!
I do have some things tagged as NSFW, mainly artistic nudes (which still don’t pop up often) or maybe NSFW text if explicit enough. If you see straight-up porn on my blog somehow, do let me know.
Warning: Please don’t listen to the audio if you are in any way uncomfortable with sexual things. This Audio was included as part of proof in a call out post I should’ve made a while ago.
I’m sure everyone knows the story of how I met Ultima. It’s quite a funny story actually, I insulted his teeth on a livestream and that led to us getting an interview arranged. Shortly after he interviewed me and Vade, we starting talking a decent amount. It was clear he wanted to date me, and I told him that that summer I just wanted to focus on my studies, but he insisted that we give each other a chance. So I agreed, and we started going out early August. There were a few things that made me uncomfortable in the relationship, but nothing that I thought was damning. He was very insistent that we sext, even when I repeatedly told him no. However I figured it was just a thing that happened in online relationships, since I had previously never had one, and went with it. Nevertheless, we dated for about a month until I fully realized that this wasn’t attractive to me, and that he as a person wasn’t attractive to me, and I tried to break up with him.
I’ll say now that I was definitely not sinless in this relationship, and didn’t stand up for myself in times that I should’ve. I let things happen that I shouldn’t have let happen, and for that I do apologize. I’m obviously not very experienced, and he took advantage of that. When I tried to break up with him, he said a lot of things that set off the Psychologist alarm bells in my head. He told me only he would ever treat me well, and that I would never find someone who would give even half the same kind of love of respect. I’ll find the exact quote: “The worst part of all of this is that YOU are the one who will be losing the most in this situation. I will move on and you will be the one who has a higher chance of regretting the decision to just let me go.”
He then said he would forgive me for this “mistake” if I just agreed to drop it and get back together with him. I insisted that this was my decision that I wanted to make and that was that. A few days later, he contacted me saying that he wanted to get back together. I declined. A few weeks later, he again insisted that we get back together, and that even if we didn’t he asked if he could fly up to my apartment in December and have sex. I again declined. By this point I was dating hawker, and specifically told him we were together. He again asked if we wanted to get back together. I told him quite forcefully that I was dating hawker, and insisted he stop asking.
He still asked occasionally, but it wasn’t until December that I really realized what was going on. Ultima sent me an audio. Remember, this is about 2 months after me and hawker started dating, and he was fully aware of this fact. He sent me an audio fantasizing about having sex with me, completely out of the blue. (AUDIO IS INCLUDED ABOVE). REMEMBER THIS WAS AFTER I HAD REJECTED HIM AND HE KNOWS IM GOING OUT WITH SOMEONE ELSE. It was around that same time I got some more information.
Jenn came to me and asked a question about Ultima. She told me what had happened (see her blog), and I immediately told him that both the audio and the fact that he did this to Jenn really made me uncomfortable, and I didn’t want to be in contact with him further.
A bit of time passed, and more inconsistencies started to pop up. Upon asking around, both Camila and others he had interviewed had a similar experience. Then, when I confronted him about him pestering other people to date him as well, he blatantly lied to me, saying that they were the ones who had pursued him. Then things began to unfurl, and I realized he had been manipulating and pestering almost every woman he had interviewed.
I didn’t want to make this post to be a vindictive bitch, or to throw him under the bus or anything. I just really wanted to warn people about what type of person he actually is. By all means, if you like his content, watch his content, but don’t think for a second that he is the person he says he is.
I honestly was fooled by his nice guy approach. When Vade and a few more friends told me that he was doing some really questionable things, I defended him. Even now, I’m still feeling a little bad for doing this. But I also got into this mess by not saying what I needed to say when I needed to say it, so I’m going to do that now.
If you are a woman that he’s interviewed and he asks you out, think very carefully about if you want to say yes. Don’t let him pester you, and don’t let him get his way. If he sends you explicit pictures, block him and report him.
This is also hopefully to show him not to do this in the future. I’m sincerely not trying to ruin his life, and I’m pretty torn up about doing this, but it needs to be done.
And as a lot of you might’ve guessed, I was working with and a friend to Steph while she was in this ordeal with Ultima. You must understand that before we even interviewed him, Steph and I had a strong opinion of Ultima and of reaction-based channels in general. He didn’t ask for our permission to react to our content in the first place and so, before our interview, we obviously had a vaguely negative opinion of him, albeit him seeming like a nice enough guy. We interviewed him and I, the next day, had to go off for my charity trip to Mexico and, upon getting home, I learn of what’s been going on. I’d be lying if I said Steph sounded at all happy while it was going on. As a friend it was kind of hard to watch as everything kinda unfolded. See whenever I spoke to Steph about him, she would have the same kind of opinion, a one of “Oh, he IS a nice guy, I just ugh why does he want to date me.” And slowly but surely, she started coming closer to him because Steph does, and would freely admit to having a caregiver complex, which I believe full well Ultima manipulated and abused during his time with her.
I say it’s hard to watch this happen because it was clear she never felt okay sharing much of it with me and while I understand, relationships should always be private, I wasn’t aware they were even dating for a good while after they’d started. It made me, I’ll admit, very worried about her. Steph was in a state by the end where she was in a relationship that she was both uncomfortable and unhappy in, but couldn’t leave because, Ultima had her under his thumb, at least he thought, until Uncle Max and I gave Steph a firm faggotry ceasing talk, and hence Starhawk emerged. They’re a lot happier now, we all are, but Ultima, as you’ll see, didn’t change.
What happened next was, well, a mixture of hilarious and terrifying. His EPIC REACTION to the breakup was a scary one, to say the worst. He didn’t keep his cool, he didn’t handle it in a mature and responsible manner. And thereafter we clearly stated, Steph is dating Hawker, and she doesn’t like you, he never, fucking, learned. It’s for that reason I’d say anyone who is approached by him, or is a friend to anyone who might be approached by him, take everything he says with a grain of salt and don’t trust him. I learned that the hard way, and so did my friends, but that doesn’t mean anyone else has to.
I really didn’t want to believe. I wanted to listen and read with my own eyes before believing it, but he really is THAT disrespectful. Like seriously didn’t want to believe my eyes. Ultima has been really disrespectful to a lot of my friends which I can’t stand.
I honestly felt the need to unsubscribe I can’t support someone that acts this way, or that treats other people tje way he does. I’m completly disgusted and legitimately bothered by all this information. And of course I will raise awareness by rebloging this, it has to stop.
-PLEASE READ THIS. IT’S CRUCIALLY IMPORTANT- I met Ultima a few months ago when one of my animations first came out. I just noticed this guy who’d been reacting to a bunch of my stuff. Eventually he invited me to do one of his interviews, for which I gave him my Skype information. We got to be pretty good friends after a while of messaging and video chatting. However, something was off. After nearly every conversation we had, he’d ask me out by the end of it. I didn’t think this was such a bad thing, even though it happened four times. Each time I’d say no, given that I don’t find him all that attractive and I’m into girls. Each time, he told me understood my decision and would be delighted to remain friends. The only thing is, he kept prying. I kept being nice about it, though. Until two days after Christmas. My family and I were driving up to pick up our new puppy, when I got a message from Ultima. Verbatim: “Hey can I talk to you about something? I want to get your honest opinion. So last time we talked about dating you mentioned that you weren’t attracted to me, that we had great chemistry and that we get along perfectly. Well what would you say if I sent you this?” This was followed by a picture of himself standing in front of a full length mirror, shirtless, with his pants nearly pulled off. Needless to say I blocked him after that, because I was angry. However, me being the teddy bear that I am, I tried to ease up on him. Maybe I was overreacting a bit. But then, I confided in my friend Steph (StarbotDubs). I explained the situation to her, and she responded by saying that he did something similar to her. This was when I realized I was correct in my being mad, and it was good to know that I could talk to someone about it. But then we began realizing, he was doing this to a lot of people, mostly women. He would befriend women, make sexual advances towards them and not respect their decision when they rejected his proposal of dating. He also doesn’t seem to take homosexuality as a legitimate reason for not dating someone. The point for me writing this is to warn all of you. This is a person who exists, and I’m sure many more exist with him. Don’t trust him. Don’t give him your private information. We want you to be safe. We love you and care about you. He doesn’t.
Well, it is time for me to tell you how this
happened on my end.
I realized about
Ultima’s existence shortly after the first part of the drunk Chara dub, and I
began to know him better on Stephanie’s streams.
I was
fooled by his good guy appeal, even as someone who has a very bad opinion on
reaction channels for making a living out of other people’s content. When Steph
told me about asking her out, I didn’t know he’d be this bad. I wasn’t dating
her at the time, but I was starting to feel something for her.
Uncle Max insisted me on confessing my
feelings to her, and that’s when we both realized about her relationship with
Ultima and…Steph didn’t really sound happy about being with him in the first
place. Not only I felt heartbroken, I mean, I was quick to just give up and try
not to force anything because I thought doing so would make me a creep…little
did I know that the very definition of being a creep was him.
Once she and I began dating, I realized everything
Ultima has done to Steph, from his horrendous reaction to the break up to how
insistent he was with her. It was unbearable, it made my blood boil and yet I remained
silent until one day I confronted him. Basically I told Ultima to let Stephanie
alone, that she didn’t like him and she never would. I knew what was going on, I knew this man wasn’t
respecting her decisions and our relationship
Shortly after our little fight, I found out
about Jenn’s situation, and then Camila’s and so on.
It’s been so long since we’ve been holding
this up, and honestly we can’t remain silent anymore.
Please, be
careful out there, as someone who’s suffered abuse from these kinds of people I
know how painful and bad it can end for the victims.
Please,
take care.
SEMI-AGGRESSIVE REMINDER
I’d make this a full aggressive reminder but this is a little bit more serious and not nearly as light-hearted
It’s important to keep a healthy dose of skepticism with you at all times
ESPECIALLY ON THE INTERNET
I know many people, young people especially, watch and enjoy Ultima’s content
These young people look up to him, thinking he’s a nice guy.
As you can see, he is not very nice. And has been very disrespectful to my friends.
DISTRUST CAN BE IMPORTANT
I’m not saying go out and accuse everyone you know of being a lying sack of shit
But you need to remember that not every YouTuber is what they seem
ESPECIALLY ONES THAT MAKE MONEY OFF OF OTHER PEOPLE’S CONTENT
Now, you may think this is being hard on Ultima.
But what he has done is harassment, and is unacceptable
Hopefully you all agree
And to be honest
We’re being rather gentle with our approach to this
If it were up to Uncle Max
He’d lose his channel.
For all the copyright infringement
For all the harassment
For pissing me right the fuck off since day one.
OH BOY LOOKS LIKE IT’S MY TURN! XD That’s right, this happened to me too, WalkingMelonsAAA…..
Sooo. I’m really REALLY not one for online drama, especially with other youtubers, but finding out that this has happened to not only me, isn’t ok… I actually kept quiet on the annoyingly persistent texts and invitations to a relationship with him, because I thought I was alone in this. I also am scared of posting this because I understand that this can harm my reputation on youtube. So it isn’t easy making this post. But it needs to be said.
I first met ultima Almighty, aka Raymond, soon after the release of my animatic, Death by Glamour by him making a reaction to it without my permission. that was late January (remember that that’s important) The lack of permission and how most of his “content” relies on mooching off of other true creators already made me iffy. However, talking to him, he seemed like a good guy. that is until I started to get to know him…
but then… we skyped all of twice (not including the interview) and I immediately started taking note on red flags in his personality. However, He decided that he liked me, and things went down hill from there almost immediately. During our second skype call, I told him over and over that I was not interested in him, and that I prefer girls and have recently gotten out of an incredibly abusive relationship with my ex not to long ago and wasn’t ready to try the gamble of love again. He said he understood. And YET, he continued to ask questions that were the type of questions you ask someone when you see them as a possible love interest. I decided to go along with the conversation simply to get an accurate read on his personality, (I’m a secret agent B) ) and I immediately found red flags and kinks in his personality that steered me away off the bat. Such as him flaunting that he’s so humble, and yet says something like, and I quote “I only make time for those that are worthy of my time/me” which is a very arrogant statement and is the opposite of humble… but also the conversation quickly turned to how he loves sex, and how he’s SOOO GOOD AT IT, and how he’d be able to satisfy me like no one else, and what he likes, and what he does in bed and how he has so much experience pleasuring a woman. that already is like…. WOW wow ok. calm down. I did say I was an open book and will talk about anything, but that doesn’t mean I wasn’t keeping record to get a full read on him. and once that topic came up, I didn’t want to turn around and say I wasn’t comfortable once I previously said I was fine to talk about anything. I guess I underestimated what his intentions for conversation was. I kinda set up my own trap but even still! Heavy talks about sex on your second time chatting?! of course I didn’t expect the subject to go there! who would?!
Anyways, a lot of the conversation also consisted on saying things like “I have money, a nice house, a car, I’m in shape and good health, popularity on youtube, I’m a professional fitness trainer with a college degree. My life is almost perfect, with the exception that I don’t have a woman to share it with.” and I’m sorry, it just kinda felt like it was a job interview trying to win me over with all the shiny things he has despite me continually telling him that I was no interested in him, even despite those things. Sorry Ultima but women don’t like material things, like money, car etc.
However it was mainly after the skype call that I got uncomfortable as a single conversation isn’t worth thinking someone is bad or creepy. It was what happened after the conversation that made me feel this way.
I started getting texts from him almost every to every other day, pushing for a relationship, or saying things like “good morning beautiful, how are you today?” to try and start a conversation with me. It kept happening and happening for soo long despite saying “no no no no no” over and over. It finally started to slow down to every other week, and I still get texts from him every other week. (I doubt now after I make this post though) But he persisted in pushing a relationship, using small compliments I’ve said to him in the past as a way to dig for me possibly having interest in him when I never did. give an inch and he’d take a mile, and use it against you seeking for a relationship. He’d also say things like “I’m just letting you know I’m perfectly single! ;D” inviting me to a relationship. And sometimes, full paragraphs on why he doesn’t understand why I’m not interested in him and how we’d be perfect for each other practically begging to be in a relationship, and I said no every single time. I got texts like this non stop until NOVEMBER! on thanksgiving weekend. That’s 10 months. The constant barrage of desperate texts for love was very annoying, and Just as the many many times before, I declined him in a more blunt and forward, yet nice way. He stopped with the lovey texts but I still get texts from him trying to make conversation that is unwanted, so even still I’m not sure. and almost always ignore his texts with how excessive they are, not getting the hint or straight up texts telling him to stop.
However, there’s something in this in particular really bothers me about this. January to November isn’t only 10 months, but he DATED STARBOT within that time frame… And almost immediately when they broke up, he came back to me with another text inviting me to be in a relationship with me, that means he still wasn’t over me and still interested in me when being with her. This is just my personal opinion, but you don’t get into a relationship with someone if you still have feelings or interest with another person, you should put your full emotion and a clean slate to the person you are currently with. It may not be cheating, but I see potential in it and possible borderline cheating, especially how he would send me texts during that time frame. You shouldn’t have interest/feelings for another if you are with someone, let alone go after them again when the relationship fails….
Plus the fact that he keeps trying and asking Starbot to get back together with him not even a week ago, when she is currently in a relationship, is highly disrespectful and wrong too.
All in all, I try to stay away from UltimaAlmighty. He’s not the woman respecting, humble, genuine guy that he flaunts around in his videos. And I get a bit salty seeing people fall for his act thinking he’s not this arrogant woman harraser, when in reality they don’t know him for who he really is. He’s kinda dangerous because at first impression he comes off as a nice, genuine, respectful, and humble guy, but in reality once you get to know him, he is the opposite.
More and more women are coming out to tell their story with Ultima
In addition to the @starbotdubs situation, I have a few words to say about Ultima’s response here (sorry Steph if you’d rather not get tagged in this). I looked up his channel out of pure curiosity and found this video.
This is exactly the kind of non-apology that people in bad relationships need to look out for. In fact people in any relationship, because often when someone’s in a bad relationship it doesn’t FEEL bad to them, at least not for a while. I want to break down what he’s doing here because it’s almost brilliant in its structure, and so true to form for people who are emotionally abusive.
1. He comes out the gate with a ton of unqualified absolutes. “What’s going on in the here and now.” “100% real, honest, and transparent (”anyone who has been subscribed to me…knows this)” “I’ve kept it real with the fans since day one” “This is nothing but the unclouded truth.” “I will not make excuses for my actions.” We have no reason to believe these are true, he’s said and done nothing to back them up. It sounds really upfront and honest, but there’s really nothing substantial here. It’s all fluff to appeal to the emotions (also phrases like “if you cannot find it within your heart to forgive me as a human being” serve the same purpose).
2. His first apology is to those whose respect he has lost (which he highlights himself by saying he wants to “apologize in advance to them”). NOT to the people who he has hurt. This is an important distinction because the respect of his fans is an asset with material value. I couldn’t say whether he did this consciously or not, but at the very least it seems a rather bizarre choice for a first apology given all that’s been alleged against him.
3. Two minutes into all this fluff he finally says he’s going to keep it short and concise because “time is a very precious matter.” Aside from being a contradiction, I’m pretty sure the most important matter in the video should be adequately addressing the issue at hand. Brevity has nothing to do with that. If it takes a longer video to properly explain what happened, then so be it. I can only chalk this up to showmanship, kind of like those people in the mall kiosks who pull you aside so you can sample their product, and several minutes into their spiel are still saying “in just 2 minutes I can show you why you need this product!” Maybe it’s just because I’ve worked a lot in marketing, but this whole video sounds very much like a sales pitch to me. Especially with how fast he’s talking (unless that’s how he always talks? again I don’t watch his channel).
4. He says he will explain WHY he did what he did, not WHAT happened. Here’s where the real problem with this video starts to show itself: his rationale has absolutely NO bearing on the situation at hand. What he owes his fans and Steph and everyone else he’s hurt is a summary of the events and an apology. Bringing in his reasons for doing what he did sounds a lot like those “excuses” he said he was not going to give in the beginning.
5. IMMEDIATELY after he begins that objective summary he gives completely unnecessary “opinions” about how he feels about Stephanie. And this is where the emotionally abusive language kicks in. Remember when Steph said in her post how her psychology bells started ringing? This is what she was talking about. “I literally honored and treasured our relationship to the fullest and never took it for granted.” There is so much to unpack in that sentence. It’s one-sided, it’s absolute, it’s possessive, and it’s blatantly untrue. Because if he hadn’t taken what they had for granted, he wouldn’t have hurt her in the first place. To take something for granted is to fail to appreciate it. If he believes that is true IN SPITE of what he did, then it’s clear his definition of appreciating someone in a relationship has nothing to do with the other person’s feelings about the relationship.
6. The summary continues and is peppered with his emotional reactions (”I was like oh no, did I do something wrong”). Again unnecessary, and only meant to illicit sympathy for him as opposed to communicating the story in an “unclouded” manner.
7. Next is a HUGE RED FLAG:he implies that how he treated Stephanie (or rather how the thinks he has treated her) has ANYTHING to do with whether or not she should be in a relationship with him. Do you remember all those “friendzoned” memes from a while back, and how one meme that responded to them went something like “women are not vending machines that you put kindness coins into until sex comes out?” THIS IS WHAT THOSE MEMES WERE TALKING ABOUT.
I cannot stress this enough. HOW YOU TREAT SOMEONE IN A RELATIONSHIP DOES NOT PUT THEM UNDER ANY OBLIGATION TO CONTINUE THAT RELATIONSHIP WITH YOU. PERIOD.
It doesn’t matter how nice you are. It doesn’t matter if you treat them like a “queen,” or a “king,” or whatever. You have no right to them. They are free to end the relationship on any terms they see fit, and if you are any kind of a decent human being with even an OUNCE of respect for them you will let them go and not pursue them any further. FULL. STOP.
8. He says twice that Steph “came out of nowhere” and said this to him. At this point he’s done a full 180 and framed HIMSELF as the victim here. That’s right–not even halfway into the video and now HE’S the one who had this sudden breakup INFLICTED upon him.Steph is now the instigator who brought these events upon HIM. This couldn’t be a more perfect example of victim-blaming.
9. He glosses over the later parts of the story, summarizing the events only by saying he “became greedy” and “began talking to other women.” This is the part of the story where he himself says he did wrong, yet he offers no detail into what specifically he did and said. Before when he was the victim, we got a play-by-play for how the breakup went down. But he spends as little time as possible actually explaining what he did wrong.
10. More appeals to emotion. “When you want something so bad so as to be able to have that completeness, to be able to have that love with someone, you’d do just about anything to get it.” He completely fails to see how his “love” was one-sided and, after the termination of the relationship, totally unwelcome. Even now he does not understand how it is possible for someone he wants to be in a relationship with to not want to be with him. In his mind if he likes the person and treats them right, they should by default feel the same way about him. He does not understand autonomy in relationships.
11. More appeals for the audience’s forgiveness.
Never once in the video does he apologize directly to anyone he hurt. Never once does he ask for their forgiveness, or express any regret for hurting them or losing their respect. The only forgiveness he asks for is that of his subscribers’.
I know not everybody appreciates a wall-o-text in their feed, but if you got this far thank you for reading. This is a textbook case of emotional abuse. If you or someone you love has a partner who talks like this about them, or apologizes like this when they do wrong, please step back and analyze the situation. When you’re in the middle of this it can be so hard to see the signs, but they’re there and crystal clear if you know what to look for. Much love to Stephanie and everyone else affected by him.
MY SONS YOU MUST REBLOG THIS I NEED TO SEE THIS VIDEO
do it, heck ill make it more interesting
if this one reaches 5,000 notes by that time, i will sing we are number one “but every time i say one, i have to change the voice im using” and i have a lot of Voices i can do
when i was 12 i babysat this girl for a few years and she would come to me and show me her art, drag me by my wrists and point at the pieces she’d made during the week. and she’d be like “do the voice” and i’d put on a sports-announcer olympics-style voice and be like “such form! this level of coloring! why i haven’t seen such perfection in crayola in a long time. and what is this? why jeff, now this is a true risk… it seems she’s made … a monochrome pink canvas…. i haven’t seen this attempted since winter 1932… and i gotta say, jeff, it’s absolutely splendid” and she’d fall back giggling. at the end of every night she’d check with me: “did you really like it?” and i’d say yes and talk about something i noticed and tucked her in.
she was just accepted into 3 major art schools. she wrote me a letter. inside was a picture from when she was younger. monochrome pink.
“thank you,” it said, “to somebody who saw the best in me.”
This HAS to go viral. This pathetic movie is abusing animals in order to film cheap scenes for human entertainment. The dog is clearly terrified but the “trainers” have no regard for her safety.
Please share and encourage your friends not to spend money on a movie that uses animal abuse to film!!!
Hi yes, ACTUAL dog trainer and dog behaviorist here. Sorry to interrupt your pitchforks and torches fest but this article is extremely misleading and is presented as a shock factor rather then presenting an actual, studied opinion of the video.
If you watch the clip, which I did, there is a lot of subtle stuff going on. First of all, rushing water is scary to ANY sort of animal, let alone a German Shepard who isn’t really a water dog like a Lab. You can see how the trainer is constantly touching the dog gently on the side and loin. He is reassuring the animal while keeping a snug grip on the collar. (Which is a flat collar btw so it can’t really do any damage to the dog even with him holding it) He is also down on the animals level, not hovering above the dog. And if you look closely, you can see that this man is constantly talking to the dog, obviously reassuring the animal. Furthermore, this is a movie dog, they have dealt with all sorts of scary situations before. This is probably the very first time that this animal was introduced to this situation and I bet you money that if we saw more of the clip, you would see them repeat this process slowly and gently until the animal relaxed.
Finally, you see the animal try to pull away. Again, perfectly normal for an animal that is scared, but again, you see the trainer pull the dog back (not yank it sharply back or drag it back) and then place the dog in the water. The actual time in the water is extremely brief and you can see that the trainer doesn’t let go of the dog and immediately pulls the animal out again after a few seconds. Just like putting a child in the bath tub for a little bit, the trainer is establishing that the water won’t harm the dog and kept the training session brief. Convenient that the clip stops before it shows you the trainer rewarding the animal in some way, which I can guarantee you they did.
Finally, I will leave you with two things. One, if the dog was actually being abused it would be responding by trying to snap at the person holding the collar and the body language would be pure terror with the tail language and hackles. German Shepards are not scared to tell you when they don’t want to do something and this dog is no different. Two, there are so many laws and regulations in place to stop the abuse of animals in movies. There is ALWAYS a representative of these organizations on site during filming whenever there is any sort of animal involved.
Don’t spread misinformation and misunderstanding please. Just like your mom forced you to eat your veggies when you were young, sometimes working with animals means encouraging them to go into situations that is way outside their instincts.
Yes please read all this because you wanna know where the video ‘leak’ came from.
PETA.
Come on guys. dont fall for PETAs bullshit. This is the group that literally kills perfectly healthy puppies because they think ‘its better that they are dead then a pet’.
So a movie thats about a dogs loyalty and the bond between humans and pets? Yeah, thats something PETA HATES. So, take all this with a huge grain of of salt.
The movie might be good or bad, I dunno. (I think it will be award bait shallow ‘tearjerker’ tbh) But dont assume that an edited 30 second clip of something, means there was abuse. Even when that dog seems to go under the water. What happens? All trainers snap to getting the dog out, but the edit cuts before we see what happens. So that everyone goes ‘oh nooooes the dog ded’
Im sure the dog is ok, and im sure that the trainers were just as scared for there dog and gave him lots of treats later. (and probably didnt use that animal for anymore water scenes.
Maybe this will turn up some abuse. But really I think its another ploy by PETA. But hold your boycotting till theres more evidence then this clip.
And this is PRECISELY why I hadn’t reblogged this yet. Was waiting for an actual animal behaviorist or trainer to chime in on it. And that was WITHOUT knowing PETA was attached to it – if I had I’d have discounted it out of hand.
